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By definition PSI is brain-washing. By definition PSI is a cult. PSI is EST. It is classified as a LGAT in the grossest sense. I am familiar with the jargon and terminology associated with PSI. I have staffed the courses because I don't exercise my right to say "no" as it is not in alignment with their goals; the goal being "get their money." I have no respect for those that do sacrifice their time to volunteer because they are dedicated to making more money for the PSI money machine. Just remember that as human beings me may make mistakes. PSI takes advantage of these people. How does PSI deal with these imperfection? They take your money.

Will it make a difference in your life? For a short time you might feel that it does than you fine yourself deep in debt and you've lost your marriage and family. Whether it is a positive or negative experience is based solely on the individual. Each person gets exactly what they don't want or choose. At my PSI Basic graduation, I remember making the comment, "I wish I'd known about this years ago." Now I wished I never heard of PSI. I later realized that it didn't matter if I'd known about it earlier. I was in a different frame of mind and would never attend any course associated with personal growth or development because I knew who I was, what I wanted and where I was going. What I didn't realize then was how to get there, PSI gave me the tools to map out my life's journey and I set sail. Now I'm buried in debt, lost my wife and family and live day by day because I gave all my money to PSI.

If someone asks you to go to the PSI Basic seminar then ask yourself this question.

Do you trust the person who asked you? Your answer ought to be no, otherwise you'd not be reading this. I now wished I have done the research. If you are reading this, then it's not too late for you.

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PSI Seminars brings out the inner demons within...and pretends to offer emotionally manipulative solutions and hype - using personal feelings and shares as proof. Dont believe it - how many olympic champions have attended PSI Seminars?

How many world and real business leaders with thriving companies attend PSI Seminars? You will be surrounded by bottom dwellers in the name of "togetherness" when its a cult falling off a cliff. !! Dont believe us?

As about Bruce Conching , IKE PONO founder that blew up his company, blew up his marriages, and now battling for his health and demons within.

And Con-man Conching was a poster child for this ridiculous overhyped, over priced seminar., that just wants you to enroll, and enroll, and feed their seminars. Good Grief People , get a grip on the manipulation !!

Guest

Well said Klemmer is the same also.

Guest

I just took one of these ridiculous seminars in Eugene OR. I'm really glad I didn't get sucked into all this garbage like the other 40 people who wasted 4 days of there lives relearning repackaged definitions of words aimed to make you buy into there dumb philosophy.

Oh ya, don't forget, bring your friends and family too. The ones with deep pockets please! This company is called WINGS. This company is far from unique, it sounds like the same f$&"@ed *** that they teach PSI, klemmer, life spring, and many others.

The dead giveaway for me to this horse s$@t was that it's an obvious pyramid scheme. The "leaders" are graduates of the first couple of seminars. They are now "volunteering" there time teaching you this *** in order to qualify for advanced seminars. I quickly picked up on this observation: most people there seemed to have been sponsored by a previous graduate.

Some of the students, group leaders alike were relatives of the administration. I wont soon forget the experience I had here. These people are not normal.

The further away I get from this mind f&&k the better. I can't believe people fall for this!

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I believe you are mistaking, PSI and wings are not affiliated and wings is not out to get your money they are here to give you some very valuable tools to live and experience more in life. If money was their goal they would be highly profitable and money would be overflowing.

Read Kris's book and find out why she has devoted her life and personal finances to her business.

It is sad to see comments like this because if you really knew anything about the reason they are in service to their students you would not white these unfounded posts.

Guest

yes dont believe lies put out by Klemmer and Associates (Cult) and PSI Seminars (Daddy Cult)? Klemmer and Associates came from PSI Semianrs..the similarities are greater than you think...or Kelly Marsh wants you to believe!!

DonR just has a family full of resentment, ex-wife and all wonder how much his kids really HATE him and hold him RESPONSIBLE for the DIVORCE...another fool that is full of it!

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read more reviews of Klemmer personal mastery and PSI Basic seminar at ripoff report, klemmer and associates review and complaints, Klemmer youtube channel media and rick ross forum on whether Klemmer and Associates is a cult, like PSI Seminars or is Klemmer and Associates and PSI Seminars just a poorly managed leadership company that cannot , will not and dont care to practice what it is paid to preach?

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Greg Kawamoto, ex PSI seminars cult promoter is now hawking Ike Pono ALOHA by his mentor Bruce Conching and ex-wife Janet Henze. Going after PSI students and offering the same nonsense from LS and PSI7 for a reduced price.

Jane Willhite was Bruce conching's best "man" at his wedding to Janet Henze of Foothilll ranch, a cult promoter for Klemmer and Associates and PSI seminars. The dysfunction of cults and PSI Seminars and wannabe Klemmer and associates continues under different names, different cult heads like Bruce Conching and Janet Henze and their lap dog Greg Kawamoto ( Jan Kempton )

Guest

How PSI and Klemmer and associates spread the cult dysfunction....Janet Henze used to work with PSI Seminars now Klemmer Samurai Camp facilitators- LOL. Janet Henze and Brian Klemmer used to work together at the cult PSI Seminars, My upline is on fire, and here is my Klemmer and associates review.

AT Klemmer's samurai camp, the samurai facilitator , Janet Henze was overweight, self-concious and facilitating breakthroughs to reps of health and nutritional products in Australia. But since this was the last class, Klemmer and associates cared little to have overweight facilitators that lack their own integrity but relied on bible thumpers, cult samurai disciples to listen to Janet Henze..WE had a laugh, DO NOT take coaching from Klemmer and Associates Samurai Camp Facilitator, Janet Henze, Janet Henze Enterprises, Foothill Ranch,or Klemmer and asscociates, you will SLEEP BETTER !!!

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review of Klemmer and associates seminars its personal mastery, son of PSI Basic, is as useless as its copycat brother. What ever feelings you create in the class or fantasies in the seminar room, remain fantasies if you cant duplicate it in real life.

The cult and occult methods used by psi seminars and klemmer and associates are designed for LOYALTY to the cult and facilitator or self help guru on a soap box, not to empower businessman.

The average income of LGATs are probably in the mid 50K and mid 40s in age, your below achieving crowd...if you want to mastermind with Klemmer cult samurais go ahead, they will drag you up to $50K and crash...they can not practice what they preach and you are left with the AWARENESS of how much a victim you have been with NO SOLUTIONS for REAL LIFE application...sounds good in a seminar room though...but for $10K?????? take your leadership lessons elsewhere!!

Guest

PSI seminars and its offshoot Klemmer and Associates, Patrick Dean Seminars are cults in disguise. Klemmer and Associates Seminar Review its the same as PSI Basic.

My review of Klemmer and Associates training is its a copycat of PSI seminars, reputed to be a cult for reasons you can research.

Klemmer and Associates review of personal mastery is that it is not a leadership seminar, training, or builds character. Do your own research on reviews of Klemmer and Associates leadership seminar or training or personal mastery

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review of Klemmer and associates personal mastery, described as a cult or scam for leadership training is a remake of psi seminars basic. Do not take Klemmer and associates personal mastery for corporate training, during my review of klemmer personal mastery.

we brought this into our company as a test and now all the employees do is talk/gossip about each other and what was shared during klemmer and associates personal mastery, klemmer's personal mastery is not for white collar professionals, lacks discipline and manipulates emotions which is unprofessional. I highly doubt that mircrosfot or ge endorsed this training as promoted by Klemmer and associates web site for personal mastery, my review is personal and i am highly suspect of this company that has less than 10 employees .

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review of Klemmer and Associates, Personal Mastery seminar, leadership training. My review of Klemmer's Personal mastery is its a copycat of PSI Basic Seminar,.

Brian miller, personal mastery facilitator for klemmer and associates is overweight and clueless about how to apply what is being preached.

Klemmer and associate's personal mastery is experiential and designed to manipulate your emotions. If you disliked the PSI Basic Seminar and its manipulations, you will hate Klemmer and asscoiates, personal mastery class, seminar, training.Brian Klemmer spent 20 years at the cult PSI seminars, and personal mastery from Klemmer is the same C@#p

Guest

s Klemmer and Associates a cult? Think Again, it could be.

Is it a scam? If you think paying $15K to find out you are afraid of your own shadow, Klemmer and Associates instructors are overweight, and there is low probability you will ever be rich, skinny and happy, yes Klemmer is a scam..you see paying $15K to find out that your beliefs hold you back is a SCAM.

you didnt know that????

Can Klemmer and associates train you on leadership and character development? Maybe if you run a dysfunctional church, Do You buy vitamins and medicine from quacks and offer it to your friends and family ?

Guest

Klemmer and associates, leadership training and seminars, whether they are a cult or not is a son of PSI seminars, Brian Klemmer is a follower of Tom Willhite what do you think he learned there from PSI Seminars?

Guest

Dont take this Cr@p from PSI Seminars or Klemmer and associates, both have a reputation of cult like behavior with facilitators that dont walk the talk ( especially outside the seminar room). They call you victims when you are exercising your constitutional right to free speech and warn other consumers...thats what this forum is for !!!

Guest

What does Klemmer and Associates do ( with a tainted reputation as a possible cult)do to help the poor? What does the roma and Brian Klemmer foundation do to support Nicaragua and El Savador?

Where does all the pledge money go in Advance Leadership? What did Brian Klemmer learn from Tom and Jane Willhite in the 20 years Brian Klemmer spent slaving away at a non profit? He was blind? Paid no heed to what Jane and Shirley was doing?

Why does he still invoke tom Willhite in Advance Leadership? What is Brian Miller doing in Jail with ex-cons, did he not get hired by PSI Semianrs but Brian Klemmer trained Brian Miller?

Wher eis Brian Miller's mind body connection? Fat bodies create fat visualizations, fluffy visualizations and hopes, peddling hope to hoepful students for commission on upgrades? How in the world does someone hire Janet Henze to preach to healhty and fit networkers selling vitamins?

That is not leading by example? If you are fat and angry , frustrated that you cant start a family, and in dienial of marry ing a coke addict, take coaching from JAnet Henze Enterprises of Foothill Ranch

Guest

When you attend PSI Seminars, you add to Jane, Jenessa, and Shirleyรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs bank account. People spend 25K to take The Basic, PSI7, MLS, Principia, PLD, PLD2, Front and Center, the book publishing seminar, and The Mastery Seminar. All of the PSI classes should be FREE and be funded by donations from those who learned and implemented the concepts if they want to have the label of a benevolent organization. Period!

Maybe there are some ethical facilitators. In the recent past, Jane has condoned and employed unscrupulous facilitators who have solicited the young women with their guile.

Real go getters get off of their duffs and do it anyway. They donรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt have to pay 25K in the first place to help them make a decision. Only the weak and gullible pay that.

Shelli Hunt no longer associates with PSI Seminars due to PSI's greedy reputation. She has a lot of baggage on her plate with the hit-and-run in 2003 but she finally realized that PSI was hurting her more than helping her be a รขโ‚ฌล“trainerรขโ‚ฌย in the international business world.

PSI Seminars is not a benevolent organization. Jane and Jenessa are raking in the dough hand over fist. If they were a benevolent organization they would work with the Lake County Public School District to teach the concepts that are taught in PSI Kids to the poor drug-babies who really need a chance to better themselves.

When it is seen that Jane and Jenessa are practicing รขโ‚ฌล“Givers Gainรขโ‚ฌย and have implemented programs to help the poor and the drug-ridden in Lake County for FREE, then it can be stated that they are a benevolent organization.

Tom Willhite would have already done this, as he did in the Prisons of Hawaii, but Jane and Jenessa choose to spend their time and money on themselves rather than help the poor little kids of Lake County.

Donรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt the poor kids of Lake County deserve a chance? If PSI was smart, theyรขโ‚ฌโ„ขd teach the concepts to the kids of Lake County for FREE starting at the Kindergarten level and really make a difference. But no! Only the rich, wealthy, white, Marin County and Honolulu residents can afford this for their kids. They do this so they can feel good about themselves and they donรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt give a hoot about the poor kids of Lake County. Why should only the wealthy afford to send their kids to PSI Kids? PSI Seminars i.e. Jane and Jenessa are all about making money for themselves . . . not really making a difference in the county where the ranch is located.

In fact, they would make great names for themselves by actually igniting the little kids of Lake County to make a difference in their wretched methamphetamine homes to not voluntarily fall into their parentรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs lifestyles. Tom made a difference in the Prisons of Hawaii . . . now itรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs time for Jane and Jenessa to make a difference in the poor schools of Lake County California.

PSI Kids for all will make one healthy little kid at a time. That healthy little kid who will say รขโ‚ฌล“Noรขโ‚ฌย to drugs and get excited about their school work will become a healthy functional adult. Thatรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs how the world will be changed.

Guest

Good Lord! What a massive pity party...do you really want to get a better understanding from someone who starts their complaint with "It ruined my life & destroyed my family"?

What a VICTIM....Here's my brief take (a) If you're looking for a program/seminar to save you..save your money instead (b) PSI is an excellent program, gives you tremendous tools, allows you to create a paradigm shift if that's what you're looking for, i.e. "good stuff". (c) I highly recommend it as long as you get that you will be doing the "heavy lifting" to change your life...no magic pill..sorry folks! I give PSI 2 thumbs up - it helped me to release some guilt that was holding me back, look at myself in a new - positive light, and change a couple of negative programs to create more space for happiness & joy...pretty cool.

I am not worth billions now because of it, not did I grow 6 inches...and I still am not able to walk through walls.

Stop whining if you said "Yes" to a program. Take responsibility for your decisions and your life.

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To fuss, If the reason you go into the course is to be a happier person, then that is what you will get because you will be focused on what makes you happy while you are in the course.

There are a lot of good people who have done these courses, and go on to have incredible lives - they don't leave their families and they are exactly what you have observed from your sister and cousin.

Of course, some people go into the course and become completely selfish. It doesn't change who a person is, it just brings what is inside to the outside. They go into debt and become irresponsible because that was in them to begin with. I had a boyfriend who used the jargon to manipulate me - he had deeper problems than an EST program could fix.

I did a lot of transformational programs (and have seen many people go through them as well), and it made me a lot more confident, happy, generous, adventurous... I also didn't put up with cr*p from others anymore. Some people who left their relationships, they weren't really happy, but they were pretending they were because they didn't know they had a choice. It does change you in a way, but it makes you more yourself, not the person that others expect you to be.

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