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Flirtation with the Cult/LGAT

So I recently attended a recruitment meeting for an LGAT- a Large Group Awareness Training. These cult-like groups don't really have a compound and make you live there; they are mostly about getting your money by charging you absurdly huge amounts of money for seminars that use some very shady tactics.

I had presented a speech the night before at my school, discussing the ways that cults and LGATs hook people and their similarities to hypnotic techniques.

So I went the next night to actually observe what went on and see what happens. Here's the story:

The first thing was that I signed in to a table outside the hotel ballroom. Several of the seminar leaders were standing by, dressed immaculately. I approached one, smiled, and signed in and was given a name tag. The man recognized my name (I had been emailing him) and introduced himself, asking who had brought me. I told him nobody.

Tonight's event was the 'Graduation' from the initial seminar, which had taken place over 4 days and cost a shade under $500. To celebrate the graduates, all the participants who'd made it through the four days were invited to bring their friends and family along. As the crowd mingled, the grads and guests mingled and chatted with Seminar employees who strolled around, making introductions.

None of them attempted to talk to me- the lone guy ambling around, talking on my cell phone periodically, taking notes here and there.

Finally we were let inside to the ballroom where the meeting was being held. We took our seats.Some seminar people went around the room, stilll talking to people, working the room.

The man I'd been emailing came to the front, introduced himself, proudly pointed out the grads, asked us all to give a big hand to celebrate their achievement. I glanced around the room- the grads all looked so excited, so happy, but it was nothing next to when the speaker introduced the man who'd actually led the entire seminar.

When he came bounding up on stage and took the mike, the grads went wild. It was spooky- it was like Elvis inciting a flock of girls. The grads even gave him a standing ovation, and, as he spoke for the next hour or so, the grads' glee didn't diminish- they kept giggling in bliss and ecstasy.

The moderator spoke at length, again congratulating the grads, at first admitting a couple of things- first off, how odd this must all seem to the guests. 'You get BEGGED to come to this by your friends or family, and now you're here, hearing all this, right?' Pretty much.

'And you must think it's kinda weird, right? They're telling you 'You gotta come to this! BUT- I can't tell you what it's about!' The grad next to me giggled. 'Well, let me tell you: it's not a cult. No. We're here to help you, to get you to achieve your full potential?.' He went on, talking about what the course could do for you, but in very vague terms. 'Nobody's forcing you to attend, right? We're all here on our own free will, are we not? We all have the choice to accept or decline.' I nodded, but my stomach was turning. This is exactly the 'illusion of choice' that a cult would present.

The moderator went on to tell a little about the seminar, but even he admitted it was hard to put into concrete terms- that it was really something that must be experienced, because there were so many group exercises; that it was very 'experiential.' I wanted to hear more about this, to find out what the exercises were like, but he would only say it was like a taste of steak; that the only way to see it was to actually go through with it.

One of the more disturbing moments was when he presented a 'theory of mind' on the board to illustrate how our minds work. It bothered me because it was similar to part of the hypnotic induction process in how you describe the workings of the mind and how hypnosis works, just before you actually perform it. Basically, 'you first describe, and then you perform.' He prattled on about it, and I nodded my head, pretending to be intrigued instead of horrified.

He next had all the grads come up on stage as we applauded them. The mod continued heaping all the adulation and praise onto him that he could, recognizing them for being on the pathway to success and overcoming their personal limitations. He gave them diplomas and read them on stage, which pretty much just reinforced or repeated what he'd said a minute ago. Then he asked the grinning grads to tell us all about how much they loved the program and their experience, to tell us how great it was. 'Just try to sum it up in one word,' he challenged them.

They thought a moment and then you heard them say things like 'enlightening', 'success', 'learning', 'magical', etc.

Now came another *** highlight.

'And how many of you had resistance at first, when you came in here, all but kicking and screaming, at the start of the first day?'

Almost all raised their hand. 'How about at the end of the first day?' Most hands stayed up. 'And the second day?' About half the hands were still up. 'How about the third day?'

ONE hand remained in the air.

Jesus Christ, I thought. This is how it works- the first two days are spent in long exercises designed to break, embarrass, or humiliate these people, and the second two days are about building them back up.

It was pretty insidious. One thing a cult or LGAT would do is shower the individual with love and acceptance. But this group went one better- start with ridiculing them or tearing them down. It actually makes sense- in one hypnotic induction, we create relaxation by first inducing some stress, and when that's absent, the relaxation is more powerfully felt. And likewise, how best to show love and acceptance? By first creating its opposite experience?.

But why would nobody walk off after the first few hours of abuse? Simple; they've heard the promise of personal benefit if you stay in for the full four days; plus, you're not eligible to get your money back for any reason if you don't complete the course in full.

After this, the moderator showed the schedule for the next seminar (four days- 2 days of 6pm to midnight, and 2 days of 10am-8pm) and presented the cost and where we could sign up, also saying if we had any doubts, just ask around tonight, and to take it, since we could always get our money back if we were dissatisfied (provided we completed, of course). He closed by suggesting we now turn to the person who brought us here and ask them why they so badly wanted us to take this seminar.

I turned to the man next to me, 'A', I'll call him, and began asking questions. I talked to him for a while, learning that a friend had gotten him into this almost a year ago. At first he had declined but I guess the friend had badgered him enough and he finally took it. I also learned he was new in town and I wondered why he'd waited till he'd moved to take it, but didn't ask him.

He told me that he'd always been into reading about religions, philosophy, self improvement, and the like. Off the bat, he also admitted that this seminar was like a religion and wasn't- it was definitely an organization, and they were out to make money, plain and simple. That said, he felt like it benefited him quite a lot anyways.

I moved on to my next question. 'I understand this stuff is a lot of group exercises; that you learn a lot in there.'

'Oh, yes, definitely,' he nodded vigorously.

'But what was it like? What did you guys do?'

He looked blankly, as if he'd lost his train of thought, finally saying.: 'It's hard to describe. We did so many?' and trailed off- it was as if he couldn't remember any! Why couldn't these people describe what had gone on? It wasn't like they were being coy or secretive about it; it's more like they just couldn't retrieve the memory!

He finally told me an odd one about the inner child or intuition, being in groups of 2, where one person describes a sick friend, giving somebody a few clues, asking them to come up w/ whatever they intuit about the described person. 'A' claimed 90% accuracy rate in the facts the intuition drags up and looked at me, wide-eyed, for my reaction. I saw through this (vague-speak, like an Oracle; can be interpreted so widely that it could apply to nearly anything) but he was amazed by it. I feigned amazement, too.

'What else did you guys do?'

I really had to pry it out of him- you'd think in four days of doing mainly exercises, he'd be able to remember much more, more readily, but no. Finally he came up with another, and it was sad.

I'd had heard of this one before: the 'broke your word' thing, designed to make everybody see their flaws and play that up. 'A' described how he seemed to have done the best, seeming to have kept his word the most faithfully, for a full week, until the mod turned it on him, saying he didn't believe it; either A had lied to him, or A had broken his word to himself. When confronted with that, A said he felt shocked, and reacted in an astonished manner, as if he were still stunned by it. He even described hearing that as a 'slap in the face.' Of course, this same point was driven in, in many ways, to all the graduates in those first 2 days.

At end of our conversation, I asked if he had any last things to tell me about it, and he advised me to 'take the jump' and just try it out. He thought I'd get a lot out of it, that I was curious and smart. He hoped it would help him succeed farther, especially to get over his shyness, loner tendencies, and to help him become a leader- after all, he'd signed up for the next 2 courses, which probably cost $6,000 to $8,000.

I kind of wanted to hear more about this and track his progress, so I exchanged phone numbers with him and left, wondering what I'd hear next. As I stood up to go, I noticed nobody ever asked me directly to sign up, which was kind of a nice sign, but then again, when I looked around, I saw all the seminar people were busy talking to the grads and their guests.

So what hypnotic techniques and methods did I observe? I'll detail them in the next blog.

Oh- and if you don't think these people are out to take your money, if you really think they're beneficial- I just have one question for you:

If this group does so much good, and there's nothing sinister or shady about their method, and that it really WILL change you life, well, why can nobody who goes through the program seem to be able to tell many details of it?

Surely something so important, so groundbreaking in one's life would be a bit more memorable, wouldn't it?

Location: Montreal, Quebec

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PSI Seminars/training (LGAT) should be avoided at all costs!!!!!

Hello Tiffany,

I was convinced by a friend who I *trusted* to take this training and it's frightening how both of you sound so much alike. I knew this person before they took the training and the difference is night and day. All this person talked about was how this training would change my life.....literally. I saw people around me putting the training before their own kids!! I don't see how this training is teaching them to be RESPONSIBLE for their lives?

I'm embarrassed that I fell for this scam and memories of the training make me cringe. I came to my senses after reading the 'paperwork' for the next level and finally realized that it's all about mind control and money. I would be paying 'them' to work for 'them'. I started to treat my loving husband differently during the training and looked at him like an enemy until I realized the problem was ME. I observed how ALL the 'trainers' looked so unhappy and were either in the process of/or recently divorced. It was the WORST experience of my life.

I called this friend and let them have it for getting me involved and wasting my money. Now this person will not even speak to me, because I didn't go to the next level. Guess I'm not 'advanced' enough to be a friend anymore. It really hurt me to the core that a friendship of many years was torn apart by PSI. How many people have you cut out of your life? Seriously?

Have you ever looked online to find the testimonials of people whose lives or loved ones were derailed by this type of training? Why do you think there are so many? Have you had family or friends who are NOT involved in this training look at you like you're crazy as you try to convince them to join? Are ALL of your friends involved in PSI? Don't you find that odd? How much money and time have you given to PSI?

(I do not recommend this class to 'broken' people who are looking to get 'fixed'... this class is conducted on a very high level of consciousness, and, based on some of the reports on this site--- might be too advanced for some people).

These comments are extremely arrogant and frightening. So you think you're operating on a very high level of consciousness as a result of this training? You think the training might be 'too advanced for some people'? So what makes you a brainiac? How does this promote your statement of World Peace by looking down at people? If this training is so wonderful, then how come people need to be 'recruited' by people they trust? My friend is brainwashed and lost to me forever. Now their main concern in life is to make money and recruit future brainwashing victims.

I hope one day you realize exactly what you got yourself into. I also hope you realize that you sound like a PSI puppet. Do you work for 'them'? Do you get 'commission'? Isn't this really a 'front' for Scientology? I think perhaps you're the one who may be broken and it truly makes me sad. I do not look down on you, so why should you look down on me or other people of this world? We are all the same and we're all connected.

Guest

For your own well being avoid PSI. This is a business that just wants your MONEY.

First you sign

up for the 'basic seminar''. For me it was $495.00. I spent an entire week-end spilling my guts out to people that I had never seen before. You spend 6 hours Thursday and Friday night and then all day Saturday and Sunday being 'counseled' by your peers. What, if any education, do they have to do this? You are asked to divulge your darkest secrets- and surprisingly you do. You are constantly told that 'givers gain'?

After the basic they rope you into 'PSI 7'. This is a fancy way of saying that if you give them $3400.00 they will let you spend an entire week at the 'ranch'. This is located in Northern California. You are herded into sub par housing, you can't even drink the water, and you are told when to wake and when to go to sleep. During one of the 'rope' exercises, I was knocked to the ground by one of the group. There was no concern shown by any of the staff- not once was I asked if I was o.k. or if I thought that I needed any medical attention. It was 'get up and get back to what you were doing'.

After your week long brainwashing is complete you are asked to sign up for LS. This is the next step- it only costs $3900.00. After the high of making it through the week, you are in the groove and are more than happy to sign up and forl over the money.

They are famous for saying that 'givers gain'. This is not TRUE. I found myself unemployed and was having a hard time just making ends meet. I called the Denver office and spoke with Mark Shearon. I knew there was a no refund policy but thought that perhaps they would make an exception and even let me have half of the $3900 back. NO WAY- I was the recipient of a pep talk that if I didn't know better I would think that he was reading from 'The Secret'. There was no concern, no sympathy, just that I needed to get a job and make sure that I was at the seminar that I had signed up for. 'Givers gain'??? Perhaps, but it's you who GIVE and PSI that GAINS. If you think that you need PSI, think again. Go buy 'The Secret' for $15 and save yourself a lot of money and self respect.

Sandra

Aurora, Colorado

U.S.A.

Guest

AntiSuccess

Just curious, do you folks really feel that a 4 day class is so powerful that someone of average strength and intellect couldn't make it out with out being "brainwashed"?

It seems like another strategy could be to go through the class so you'd know what she experienced and take it from there. They offer a money back guarantee right?

I truly hope that things work out for you both.

Yes I รขโ‚ฌหœreally feelรขโ‚ฌโ„ข and believe that it does. I saw it for myself. I LIVED it. I saw this destroy my wife and my marriage. I saw the true love of my life destroy herself with this claiming she left to find her number 10 relationship (with herself.) A few weeks after she left I confronted her about the money she spent. She lied to me saying she hadnรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt given PSI anymore money. I later found out she did. Thousands of dollars for a week at the ranch? Come on. You could take three cruises for that kind of money and not have to sit in a rec room at the ranch being brainwashed.

And then to lie about it? If the program is so great why lie? I donรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt know what bothered me more; the fact that she lied or the fact that when she did lie I BELIEVED her. I couldnรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt tell. And that had never happened before.

As for her number 10 relationship; Funny thing is; she hasnรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt found it. Sheรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs deep in debt and nothing to show for her life except for her failures. A house (foreclosed), car (repossessed) and several (and I do mean several) failed relationships. She gained so much weight itรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs causing her health issues. She used to take care of herself. Some Tools huh?

What kind of "strategy" is there to simply not take the class? Why should anyone?

"They offer a money back guarantee?รขโ‚ฌย Sure they do, minus fifty dollars. Oh and lets not forget the รขโ‚ฌหœfour fun filled daysรขโ‚ฌโ„ข spent doing the basic. Then the week at the ranch for PSI7. Then there are the leaderships programs----9 days. Thatรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs nine thousand dollars for three รขโ‚ฌล“programs.รขโ‚ฌย My wife spent that much the first four (thatรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs right, four) months. Would you shell out $9000.00 in four months?

The grads attempt to talk the people in their lives into taking the program(s) and when they run into someone who is of "average strength and intellect" who won't take the basic they leave. Itรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs that simple. They see it as being รขโ‚ฌล“unsupportive.รขโ‚ฌย I saw it for what it was; a รขโ‚ฌล“SCAM.รขโ‚ฌย A *** job to take our money. I remember going to my wifeรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs basic graduation and being approached by several men asking me if I was interested in taking these courses. I said รขโ‚ฌหœno, it wasnรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt for me.รขโ‚ฌโ„ข To a man, each on voiced/questioned if I wanted a better life? My answer to them was รขโ‚ฌล“I am happy with my life. I have a good, loving wife, a family I love and am proud of. I have a home and a job that Iรขโ‚ฌโ„ขm proud of and enjoy doing.รขโ‚ฌย Why would I look to รขโ‚ฌล“improveรขโ‚ฌย that? I guess I was the fool because my wife fell for this and it ruined our marriage. (I will always believe that and no one can convince me of it other wise.)

And apparently, I am not the only one. I saw the anguish this caused me, my children and my family. Not only my family, but hers as well. Iรขโ‚ฌโ„ขve read the problems on this site, and others, about what this has done with regards to marriages/relationships when one person (and/or both) goes to these LGATรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs and I see a pattern. You would have to be blind and *** not too. รขโ‚ฌล“Average strength and intellect?รขโ‚ฌย People are always looking for the รขโ‚ฌล“quick fixรขโ‚ฌย to their problems and some are willing to pay large sums of money to get it. And there are others who face up to their problems and live their lives without รขโ‚ฌล“the helpรขโ‚ฌย from PSI and its TOOLS.

And donรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt take this the wrong way; but if youรขโ‚ฌโ„ขre here to sell me/us and everyone else thatรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs against PSI, and for that matter, other LGATรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs; save it. Iรขโ‚ฌโ„ขve lost too much already and I for one am not interested.

Remember; รขโ‚ฌล“WHAT WE DO IN LIFE ECHOรขโ‚ฌโ„ขS AN ETERNITY.รขโ‚ฌย

Guest

Oh Please, "groundbreaking." And I'm glad I have never done this ***. and who are you calling closed minded? Maybe you're the one who refuses to "see." Maybe you're just naturally a "dumb-as*."

Guest

The basic course like you are talking about actually is very "groundbreaking." You have never been threw it so how would you ever know if it was or wasnt? I get on here every once in a while just to get a good laugh. There have been thousands of people that have been threw PSI, yet its only the few hundred closed minded people that rag on it over blogs...

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